Is Our University President Poorly Paid?

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  1. We know where the money’s going at the flagship campus of the University of Nevada: https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2024/02/12/torment-executioners-in-reno-nevada/

    and at the flagship campus of the University of California: https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/03/24/why-we-sleep-a-tale-of-institutional-failure/ and https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2009/05/12/yoo_again/

    Considering those alternatives, spending it on a university president who blows it all on some mixture of office renovations and coke isn’t so bad–at least he’s not actively damaging the university’s reputation for scholarship!

    1. The University of Nevada VPR saga is still so mind-boggling.

      Vice Presidents for Research are paid a lot. I still don’t understand what they actually do, and what the qualifications are. It would be interesting to chart how the salary for this position has changed over time.

      About other positions, you might like the comment I wrote about our new provost salary / perks here: https://uomatters.com/2024/06/provost-chris-long-is-paid-540k-per-year-plus-130k-start-up-alcohol-budget.html (scroll to near the bottom).

      1. Raghu:

        I checked that out and posted a comment. Which was there for awhile, but now it seems it was taken down. I guess the UOMatters blogger didn’t like my comment, maybe because it wasn’t Oregon-focused? The last time I was in Oregon was when biking from Vancouver to San Francisco, and our route didn’t take me past Corvallis anyway.

      2. Your comment is still there, Andrew! The UOMatters site has weird cache problems; I always hit “reload” at least once to make sure it’s loading comments (and main posts) properly. I know the person who runs it — he’d never take down a comment unless patently illegal.

        More importantly: we’re in Eugene! (Oregon State is in Corvallis.)

      3. OK, that’s good to hear regarding the comment. I was impressed by the UOMatters blog and I wrote a post about it, should appear in January or so.

        Also, yeah, the Corvallis thing was a joke. I’ve never been to Eugene either, though.

      4. The UO Matters blog is great. The person who runs it (Econ prof. Bill Harbaugh) retired last year so it’s now updated much less often, but it has been an excellent source of information and discussion, even when a bit inflammatory.

        You should visit Eugene some time — it’s a great place for biking! I don’t think we have any Jamaican beef patties, though. (Admittedly, being vegetarian, I haven’t actually looked into this.)

      5. Hi Raghu

        Recently I was having a zoom conversation with my son (Not quite an ignoramus, he graduated BS in mat egr +MBA) and he saw my calendar flash on the screen with all sorts of color blocks. So he asked – Dad what do you do all day? I answered – oh, you know there is meeting after meeting to solve issues, it keeps me very busy.
        His response (with a serious face) – Dad you were so much more productive when you were a faculty!

        Alas, when he was a young boy, he would, along with his mom, bring us dinner at the lab when my students and I were pulling an all nighter. He would hang out for a while until it was time to go. Perhaps he is not wrong from his perspective. In fact, I always remind myself, I am a faculty first and an administrator second. A little dose of humility from one’s own child is always good.

        As a highly research active faculty I thought you would be better informed. I welcome you to come spend an hour or two or better yet a day or two with me. We can call it bring your researcher to work day. However, come at your own risk, if it kills a few grey cells when you attend those meetings, I am not liable.

        If you would like to connect you know how to reach me.

        best

      6. AR: Thank you for commenting! Let me first point out that I am sad to hear that you’ll soon be leaving UO. I’m not just being polite — this has come up in several recent conversations following your announcement, and everyone I know, myself included, has been especially impressed by how you’ve handled the chaos of the past year — capricious funding cancellations, bureaucratic persecution of international students, etc. Your actions and communications have been excellent. The past year — note that my post is almost 12 months old — is one in which it is quite clear that there are a lot of items on a VPR’s agenda.

        All that said, it is the case, as I wrote, that under usual circumstances I do not know what occupies a VPR’s day, at a level of detail finer than “meetings.” Even meetings is a category that spans many possibilities. I met with undergraduate and graduate students yesterday for more than 2 hours, which involved debugging code with them, planning experiments, and troubleshooting experimental problems. I have been at increasingly many administrative meetings that seem to have 3x as many attendees as necessary and that consist largely of statements about past meetings, presentation of material that would be more easily absorbed as text, and that ramble along without reaching any conclusions. There is undoubtedly a whole spectrum in between. If our schedules permit it, I’d be happy to come chat for an hour and dig into what exactly being a VPR is, what your meetings are about, and what decisions are demanded. (I really am curious about the details, and I don’t doubt your dedication!)

        More broadly, since I think you object to the general tone of my post, I think the increasing distance between administration and faculty, reflected in salaries as well as career paths, amount of interaction, etc., is a major concern. I’m sure the position of VPR, and other administrative positions, have gotten more complex over the past two decades. Faculty positions have also gotten more complex and more difficult, but the arguments that have led to skyrocketing administrative salaries somehow do not apply to faculty. Again, this isn’t a criticism of you — you should take what’s offered, and you’re doing good things — but of the system as a whole. The argument of market salaries for administrators is a fine one in theory, but in practice there is zero effort put into seeing if lower salaries would reduce quality. In fact, clear lapses of quality (e.g. a former VPR I won’t name) are rewarded by moves to other positions, often more highly paid — a constant flux of administrators between institutions. I have lost track of how many presidents UO has had during my 19 years here. (At least 6, but I think I’m forgetting some.)

        Finally, it is odd to be writing this now, as UO is planning its suicide due to bizarre employment decisions. (Not related to you or your office.) My trust in the UO administration is lower than it has ever been, and lots of people here share this view. But that’s a different story; I’ll probably send you an email.

    1. I don’t like this since it will devalue teaching more advanced topics unless different levels of students are counted differently. As fond as I am of 100-level courses, we’d be a terrible university if we didn’t teach small 400-level courses! At the level of departments it makes more sense, though again only if we give different sorts of weight to service-course students, majors, etc., which the university (sort of) does already.

      This reminds me that I used to think departments had much more autonomy than they do, about things like budgets, and also policies.

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